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My final word on the SwanCon debates 
29th-Jan-2010 09:43 pm
Evidently positive posts along the lines of "I hope we can all get along" are considered too bland to be deserving of comment.
29th-Jan-2010 11:53 am (UTC)
I actually wrote a reply earlier today but LJ ate it! It was words to the effect that we really need to draw up the cloud of arguments and their connections on this. Many people are arguing only one facet of a complex and grey argument. Not that I thought you were doing so (:-) ) but that your neat list made me think that aggregating everything would be useful. We need a big white-board though!
29th-Jan-2010 12:15 pm (UTC)
I think that some sort of aggregation would be useful.

Unfortunately the fact that I (and others) haven't been able to keep up and have been posting our thoughts in separate journals won't help whichever brave soul tackles that job.

The running debate over on greteldragon is up over 250 comments now.
29th-Jan-2010 12:24 pm (UTC)
I reckon that if a couple of people had a computer and a huge whiteboard and did it systematically it might work! :-)
29th-Jan-2010 12:42 pm (UTC)
Sounds good to me.

Then again whiteboards always sound good to me.

Mind you whiteboard addiction is a known occupational hazard for business analysts. :)
29th-Jan-2010 01:39 pm (UTC)
And scientists!
29th-Jan-2010 01:16 pm (UTC)
Oo, an interactive whiteboard even.

Sorry, John, I should have commented and said 'Hear, hear', but I was busy defending my honour and that of my friends elsewhere.
29th-Jan-2010 01:39 pm (UTC)
Looks like the three of us should get in a room with one!
29th-Jan-2010 11:09 pm (UTC)
Works for me. :)
29th-Jan-2010 11:14 pm (UTC)
I was busy defending my honour and that of my friends elsewhere.

OK, looks like I missed more than I thought. Do you need any support/help anywhere?
30th-Jan-2010 01:36 pm (UTC)
Not at all. I'll fill you in when I see you.
29th-Jan-2010 05:16 pm (UTC)
Yeah, you're just not controversial enough. Try starting out with "Con X is much better than Swancon" and you'll probably get more replies.

OK, the other reason is that it's all too time-consuming. Most of the comments deserve extermination, not aggregation. stephen_dedman's Survey says members want it to be longer, shorter, larger, smaller, but most of all, cheaper and with more expensive guests. What some people want (i.e. the whole universe at almost no cost) can make for entertaining, but not fruitful, discussion.
I think 99% of the useful comments are covered by:
* Swancon could benefit from better promotion.
* Swancon might do better if more focused.
* Newcomers should be more actively encouraged and introduced to others.
* Children, as such, are not a problem. Individuals, regardless of membership of some subdivision of the human race, or some other race, by age, gender, orientation or beliefs, should be dealt with individually if troublesome. (... expanded on by rdmasters)
* A traditional fannish con and the programme-light daytime-only events that have sprung up in the last few years do not necessarily appeal to the same audience.
29th-Jan-2010 11:10 pm (UTC)
Nice summary.
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30th-Jan-2010 09:45 am (UTC)
but when she has a good day no-one cares!
I find that sad.

In terms of the background of this post (and the linked posts) there is something of a debate happening on livejournal about the shape and direction of SwanCon (one of the annual WA science fiction conventions).

It got heated in places as these things are often wont to do.

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